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		<title>By: darren</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I have bullying exp in all the churches i attended, i am an easy target just like Margaret discribed introverted and easily intimidated. Just like Margaret says, a lot of people out there don&#039;t investigate facts first before coming to conclusions, they&#039;ll just say things like, &quot;oh, well, if you get bullied everywhere you go, it must be all be your problem&quot;. Well, I admit, some of it is, and I am willing to take responsibility for my part. But 80% of the time it is not.

In fact, a lot of the time I did not stand up for myself as I should, that&#039;s why the abuse continues. In fact, one of the things my ex-pastor and pastor&#039;s wife used to shift blame was the whole idea &quot;Christians are not perfect, it is thru learning to tolerate one another, we learn to grow together&quot;. While that is true, and I agree with it wholeheartedly, I think when you try to use this concept and apply to every situation, then you are abusing the scripture through taking passages out of context. Because in the end of the day, there is a clear difference between imperfect vs abuse. I don&#039;t mind people yelling at me once because they had a bad day, as long they apologise later, however, I won&#039;t classify consistent physical intimidation, attempt to turn the entire church against me through misconstrued facts etc etc as merely imperfection. Those behaviours are bullying, full stop. And yes, acknowledge some of them may have issues and should be given all the help and support they can get, however, this should not be by going up to the victim and telling them to behave like a doormat as a solution. If a person has anger issues, they should be given counselling and prayer etc etc to help them, but if they continue to intimidate others, then maybe it might be a good idea for them to not come to church for a while until they have their problem fairly under control. And in event where people aren&#039;t even acknonledging their attitude as sinful eg rude and disrespecful attitude towards others, they should be dealt with immediately so no one else would get hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I have bullying exp in all the churches i attended, i am an easy target just like Margaret discribed introverted and easily intimidated. Just like Margaret says, a lot of people out there don&#8217;t investigate facts first before coming to conclusions, they&#8217;ll just say things like, &#8220;oh, well, if you get bullied everywhere you go, it must be all be your problem&#8221;. Well, I admit, some of it is, and I am willing to take responsibility for my part. But 80% of the time it is not.</p>
<p>In fact, a lot of the time I did not stand up for myself as I should, that&#8217;s why the abuse continues. In fact, one of the things my ex-pastor and pastor&#8217;s wife used to shift blame was the whole idea &#8220;Christians are not perfect, it is thru learning to tolerate one another, we learn to grow together&#8221;. While that is true, and I agree with it wholeheartedly, I think when you try to use this concept and apply to every situation, then you are abusing the scripture through taking passages out of context. Because in the end of the day, there is a clear difference between imperfect vs abuse. I don&#8217;t mind people yelling at me once because they had a bad day, as long they apologise later, however, I won&#8217;t classify consistent physical intimidation, attempt to turn the entire church against me through misconstrued facts etc etc as merely imperfection. Those behaviours are bullying, full stop. And yes, acknowledge some of them may have issues and should be given all the help and support they can get, however, this should not be by going up to the victim and telling them to behave like a doormat as a solution. If a person has anger issues, they should be given counselling and prayer etc etc to help them, but if they continue to intimidate others, then maybe it might be a good idea for them to not come to church for a while until they have their problem fairly under control. And in event where people aren&#8217;t even acknonledging their attitude as sinful eg rude and disrespecful attitude towards others, they should be dealt with immediately so no one else would get hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/institutional-abuse/church-bullying-scapegoating-and-misconduct#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been bullied for over one year now. Rumors and lies follow me at church but I will not leave. I believe God put me there for a reason and despite everything, I love my church. I know who is behind the bullying and yes, it hurts. It is painful and leaves its own kind of scars, but I am strong. The bullying consists of sending out emails that are filthy...spoofing my address so that church members actually believe I did this. My friends are being targeted and I am being isolated. It is okay. I serve a God who sees and hears. I trust He will use this for good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been bullied for over one year now. Rumors and lies follow me at church but I will not leave. I believe God put me there for a reason and despite everything, I love my church. I know who is behind the bullying and yes, it hurts. It is painful and leaves its own kind of scars, but I am strong. The bullying consists of sending out emails that are filthy&#8230;spoofing my address so that church members actually believe I did this. My friends are being targeted and I am being isolated. It is okay. I serve a God who sees and hears. I trust He will use this for good.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/institutional-abuse/church-bullying-scapegoating-and-misconduct#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Mar 2011 21:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing your story.

I dealt with being bullied from late elementary school all the way through high school, and even a bit in college (although that was nothing like it was in high school), so you would think I would have recognized what was happening in my church.  I began attending my husband&#039;s church just before we were married, and for 10 years I struggled to fit in and to be allowed to serve in the teaching ministry.  I jumped through all the hoops--attended all the required classes and leadership trainings, became a member and got re-baptized--yet was still unable to &quot;break in.&quot;  Every year when the church held their Ministry Fair, I signed my name to be an adult Sunday school teacher.  Sometimes I heard from leadership; sometimes I did not.  

Finally, I thought I&#039;d have a chance when a friend and teacher in the Women&#039;s Bible Study suggested me for a teaching position.  The leader of the Bible Study was glad to give me the curriculum list and decide what I&#039;d like to teach.  When I contacted her with my selection, she apologized profusely and said that the Women&#039;s Pastor had blown a gasket and said that *SHE* made the decision who would teach and said I had to talk to HER.  Yet when I tried to set a meeting with her, she either never responded or was unavailable.  

To make a long story short, when I finally did get a teaching position, I was suddenly asked to step down from any and all ministry at that church because of questions I was dealing with and because the Women&#039;s Pastor didn&#039;t approve of a TV show I watched.  She said my questions would lead others astray, so I could not minister to anyone till I got those questions answered (obviously in a way that agrees with the church).  

I kept wondering what was wrong with me.  I finally realized that I&#039;m not the one with the problem--I&#039;m not perfect, but I do not deserve the treatment I have received.  I have never felt accepted at this church.  I always felt I had to put on a mask, to pretend to fit in with everyone else, or I would be shunned.  It took a while for me to accept that this was bullying, the same kind of garbage I had to put up with at school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing your story.</p>
<p>I dealt with being bullied from late elementary school all the way through high school, and even a bit in college (although that was nothing like it was in high school), so you would think I would have recognized what was happening in my church.  I began attending my husband&#8217;s church just before we were married, and for 10 years I struggled to fit in and to be allowed to serve in the teaching ministry.  I jumped through all the hoops&#8211;attended all the required classes and leadership trainings, became a member and got re-baptized&#8211;yet was still unable to &#8220;break in.&#8221;  Every year when the church held their Ministry Fair, I signed my name to be an adult Sunday school teacher.  Sometimes I heard from leadership; sometimes I did not.  </p>
<p>Finally, I thought I&#8217;d have a chance when a friend and teacher in the Women&#8217;s Bible Study suggested me for a teaching position.  The leader of the Bible Study was glad to give me the curriculum list and decide what I&#8217;d like to teach.  When I contacted her with my selection, she apologized profusely and said that the Women&#8217;s Pastor had blown a gasket and said that *SHE* made the decision who would teach and said I had to talk to HER.  Yet when I tried to set a meeting with her, she either never responded or was unavailable.  </p>
<p>To make a long story short, when I finally did get a teaching position, I was suddenly asked to step down from any and all ministry at that church because of questions I was dealing with and because the Women&#8217;s Pastor didn&#8217;t approve of a TV show I watched.  She said my questions would lead others astray, so I could not minister to anyone till I got those questions answered (obviously in a way that agrees with the church).  </p>
<p>I kept wondering what was wrong with me.  I finally realized that I&#8217;m not the one with the problem&#8211;I&#8217;m not perfect, but I do not deserve the treatment I have received.  I have never felt accepted at this church.  I always felt I had to put on a mask, to pretend to fit in with everyone else, or I would be shunned.  It took a while for me to accept that this was bullying, the same kind of garbage I had to put up with at school.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia Backora</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/institutional-abuse/church-bullying-scapegoating-and-misconduct#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia Backora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 14:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ has a strong warning for those who beat their fellow servants before His return (Matt.24:49).  This speaks of active abuse of those who are &quot;different&quot;, which doesn&#039;t necessarily mean more sinful!  It says Jesus will lay heavy stripes upon them and appoint them their portion with hypocrites.  The fastest way to hell is to ride roughshod on someone else who can&#039;t fight back.  I&#039;ve got no use, either, for snobby people who won&#039;t even speak to you in church though you look nice and do your best to be friendly.  Those stinking hypocrites know where they can go, I wouldn&#039;t give you two cents for such people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ has a strong warning for those who beat their fellow servants before His return (Matt.24:49).  This speaks of active abuse of those who are &#8220;different&#8221;, which doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean more sinful!  It says Jesus will lay heavy stripes upon them and appoint them their portion with hypocrites.  The fastest way to hell is to ride roughshod on someone else who can&#8217;t fight back.  I&#8217;ve got no use, either, for snobby people who won&#8217;t even speak to you in church though you look nice and do your best to be friendly.  Those stinking hypocrites know where they can go, I wouldn&#8217;t give you two cents for such people!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ray</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/institutional-abuse/church-bullying-scapegoating-and-misconduct#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, I would like to say I can relate to the above as my (pastor) took the side of my psychologicaly bullying Christian manager in the charity I work for. When I said to my pastor that I am being bullied by my Christian manager at work, my pastor said to me &quot;well he has a tough job looking after people like you&quot;. I said that does not give him a right to abuse me does it? My paster just shrugged and said to me &quot;well what did my manager say?&quot; I then said it&#039;s on tape. Then my pastor said it&#039;s wrong to have it on tap. Yet I said it&#039;s only on tape as I recorded it myself so my manager could not say I said something else. It was just my proof. Yet my pastor said &quot;it&#039;s wrong for you to have it you have to wipe the tape&quot;. &quot;Why?&quot; I said it&#039;s my proof of the (truth) yet my pastor did not want me to prove the (truth) as he backed the bullying Christian manager who also goes to my church and who is supported by others like him. Also there is a couple who were in my church who were bullied out of the church by the pastor who backed a bully in the church, so much so the couple endured alot of pain. Even their son and daughter at school were bullied by the bully&#039;s sons and daughters from the church. Yet as soon as the couple who was being bullied at church told the pastor, they were told to carry on forgiving and praying for the bully. Yet it kept going on until the couple could take no more and thay left the church and don&#039;t want to ever be part of any church after being (falsely accused by the bully). Also the couple are intelligent people. (YET) as soon as the bully started on the pastor he would not have any of it. He told the bullying family to leave the church, yet he did not practice what he preached did he. He caused a great couple to leave the church they had been in for years. Yet I say god help them and everyone on this website happy Christmas to you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, I would like to say I can relate to the above as my (pastor) took the side of my psychologicaly bullying Christian manager in the charity I work for. When I said to my pastor that I am being bullied by my Christian manager at work, my pastor said to me &#8220;well he has a tough job looking after people like you&#8221;. I said that does not give him a right to abuse me does it? My paster just shrugged and said to me &#8220;well what did my manager say?&#8221; I then said it&#8217;s on tape. Then my pastor said it&#8217;s wrong to have it on tap. Yet I said it&#8217;s only on tape as I recorded it myself so my manager could not say I said something else. It was just my proof. Yet my pastor said &#8220;it&#8217;s wrong for you to have it you have to wipe the tape&#8221;. &#8220;Why?&#8221; I said it&#8217;s my proof of the (truth) yet my pastor did not want me to prove the (truth) as he backed the bullying Christian manager who also goes to my church and who is supported by others like him. Also there is a couple who were in my church who were bullied out of the church by the pastor who backed a bully in the church, so much so the couple endured alot of pain. Even their son and daughter at school were bullied by the bully&#8217;s sons and daughters from the church. Yet as soon as the couple who was being bullied at church told the pastor, they were told to carry on forgiving and praying for the bully. Yet it kept going on until the couple could take no more and thay left the church and don&#8217;t want to ever be part of any church after being (falsely accused by the bully). Also the couple are intelligent people. (YET) as soon as the bully started on the pastor he would not have any of it. He told the bullying family to leave the church, yet he did not practice what he preached did he. He caused a great couple to leave the church they had been in for years. Yet I say god help them and everyone on this website happy Christmas to you all.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 23:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for sharing your story.  Group dynamics can be brutal.  It is so important to know how to identify what is going on, and how to speak up for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for sharing your story.  Group dynamics can be brutal.  It is so important to know how to identify what is going on, and how to speak up for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/institutional-abuse/church-bullying-scapegoating-and-misconduct#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 01:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always been a target of bullies whenever I find myself in social situations or in a group, from school onwards.

I am quiet by nature and hate confrontation.  

I don&#039;t think I can change my personality, so I just avoid social settings as much as possible now.  

I prefer my own company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always been a target of bullies whenever I find myself in social situations or in a group, from school onwards.</p>
<p>I am quiet by nature and hate confrontation.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I can change my personality, so I just avoid social settings as much as possible now.  </p>
<p>I prefer my own company.</p>
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		<title>By: michele</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/institutional-abuse/church-bullying-scapegoating-and-misconduct#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am also in the middle of reading Not of my Making. I am grateful that Margaret has opened her experiences to us to learn from and share. I eagerly read a few pages each night after the little ones are in bed and can&#039;t wait to pick it up again. Thanks @mawjones~your friend @michele07</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am also in the middle of reading Not of my Making. I am grateful that Margaret has opened her experiences to us to learn from and share. I eagerly read a few pages each night after the little ones are in bed and can&#8217;t wait to pick it up again. Thanks @mawjones~your friend @michele07</p>
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		<title>By: lifespacings</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/institutional-abuse/church-bullying-scapegoating-and-misconduct#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>lifespacings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thankyou for telling us our journey is not alone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thankyou for telling us our journey is not alone</p>
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		<title>By: Adelaide</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/institutional-abuse/church-bullying-scapegoating-and-misconduct#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Adelaide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;I didn&#039;t have [enough] power&#039;. That is so sad.



Even more sad is the things that people do to get and retain power.



But it need not always be this way, as Margaret Jones shows us. We can have power and we can use it.



The power that her current church uses has several important elements like structure and initiative. And probably the paramount one: speaking openly and directly.



&#039;Speaking truth to power&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;I didn&#8217;t have [enough] power&#8217;. That is so sad.</p>
<p>Even more sad is the things that people do to get and retain power.</p>
<p>But it need not always be this way, as Margaret Jones shows us. We can have power and we can use it.</p>
<p>The power that her current church uses has several important elements like structure and initiative. And probably the paramount one: speaking openly and directly.</p>
<p>&#8216;Speaking truth to power&#8217;.</p>
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