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		<title>By: xoliswa</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/child-custody/women-lose-custody-battles#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>xoliswa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 02:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda your story is the same as mine. My name is Xoliswa. I&#039;m here in South Africa. My girl she is 11 years old now she live with her father for 4 weeks now and the problem is he is so tired to live with her he need to send her to his mother to the village. My baby she don&#039;t wanna see me coz we went to the social workers and I was so shocked when she told them that I beat her and I always talk bad about her father to her and she is not happy to stay with me and when she was with me she used to steal my money. When I ask her why is she doing this stealing my money, she will tell me that is her father who told her that she must do so. He used to abuse me and her and the other day when I was still with him, he poured petrol all over the house and locked me and my daughter inside the house and stand on the bedroom window with matches to burn us but he never lit them. So now I&#039;m thinking of taking the matter to court for my daughter&#039;s custody but what if my own daughter keeps telling lies about me, will I win this case? I&#039;m scared coz my ex brainwashed my baby against me. What can I really do about this matter? PLEASE ADVISE ME PEOPLE. THANKS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda your story is the same as mine. My name is Xoliswa. I&#8217;m here in South Africa. My girl she is 11 years old now she live with her father for 4 weeks now and the problem is he is so tired to live with her he need to send her to his mother to the village. My baby she don&#8217;t wanna see me coz we went to the social workers and I was so shocked when she told them that I beat her and I always talk bad about her father to her and she is not happy to stay with me and when she was with me she used to steal my money. When I ask her why is she doing this stealing my money, she will tell me that is her father who told her that she must do so. He used to abuse me and her and the other day when I was still with him, he poured petrol all over the house and locked me and my daughter inside the house and stand on the bedroom window with matches to burn us but he never lit them. So now I&#8217;m thinking of taking the matter to court for my daughter&#8217;s custody but what if my own daughter keeps telling lies about me, will I win this case? I&#8217;m scared coz my ex brainwashed my baby against me. What can I really do about this matter? PLEASE ADVISE ME PEOPLE. THANKS.</p>
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		<title>By: gmom1973</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/child-custody/women-lose-custody-battles#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>gmom1973</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 04:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have lost my two boys to their father at the hands of the court system. There is truly no justice in our system!!! My middle son has Asperger&#039;s syndrome and the guardian in our case chose not to accept the two diagnosis letters from doctors who hold Ph.D&#039;s. Corrupt lawyers and judges are the reason that we are losing our children and I also fear that I will never get to be with my children again because I have no more money to fight.... I shouldn&#039;t have to fight.... I took care of my children all along and just because an ex does not want to pay child support any more is not a good reason for giving custody to them. I had professionals in the medical and educational fields come to testify on my behalf and it was like the judge just did not care what anyone had to say on my behalf.... My heart is broken and I would like to speak with others in my situation... Please contact me at gmomatbigred [at] yahoo.com  Thanks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have lost my two boys to their father at the hands of the court system. There is truly no justice in our system!!! My middle son has Asperger&#8217;s syndrome and the guardian in our case chose not to accept the two diagnosis letters from doctors who hold Ph.D&#8217;s. Corrupt lawyers and judges are the reason that we are losing our children and I also fear that I will never get to be with my children again because I have no more money to fight&#8230;. I shouldn&#8217;t have to fight&#8230;. I took care of my children all along and just because an ex does not want to pay child support any more is not a good reason for giving custody to them. I had professionals in the medical and educational fields come to testify on my behalf and it was like the judge just did not care what anyone had to say on my behalf&#8230;. My heart is broken and I would like to speak with others in my situation&#8230; Please contact me at gmomatbigred [at] yahoo.com  Thanks!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently going through a living nightmare in Washington State (Thurston County Family Court). 
I started DV proceedings after enduring beyond abuse for more than 10 years. I knew it was time to put my own fears aside and do something for my 5 children, and it ended up backfiring after being awarded a permanent DV Protection Order in which the children were included on. Outside of DV court he was awarded physical care of the 2 youngest children whom were supposed to be protected from him, and fear him.  As well as a biased commissioner, that I have proof of her lying as well as his attorney, but I&#039;m too afraid and don&#039;t have an attorney. Five months later he still has my babies on a generic temp order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently going through a living nightmare in Washington State (Thurston County Family Court).<br />
I started DV proceedings after enduring beyond abuse for more than 10 years. I knew it was time to put my own fears aside and do something for my 5 children, and it ended up backfiring after being awarded a permanent DV Protection Order in which the children were included on. Outside of DV court he was awarded physical care of the 2 youngest children whom were supposed to be protected from him, and fear him.  As well as a biased commissioner, that I have proof of her lying as well as his attorney, but I&#8217;m too afraid and don&#8217;t have an attorney. Five months later he still has my babies on a generic temp order.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/child-custody/women-lose-custody-battles#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi I&#039;m reading all this - it&#039;s like reliving the nightmare.
I too was married to a controlling man who always threatened to destroy me if I left him...well he did...first he took most of our assets...then told my family he would kill me if I tried to get the money I deserved...then he started on my career by harrassing me daily with phone calls and abuse so I looked unprofessional and upset...then paid hardly any maintenance...then took our son. When I tried to get him back was thrown against a wall and strangled in front of the kids only to be saved by his girlfriend. Then he got the best lawyer in town who set me up, played games, then he started summonsing me to court saying I was refusing access to kids. In fact lies and more lies. Then he started threatening my boyfriend and used our son to steal from me and making him lie even to police. Then he took our daughter and when I tried to get her back he beat me and left me. Then taking me to court and saying I was an unfit mother. Yes I lost and had a complete breakdown...left with post traumatic stress unable to work and lost my unit and my heart. 
Seven years on the shit still goes on, he still taunts and threatens me. My kids no longer even come near me as he has brainwashed them. I&#039;ll never give up on them.
Pray for justice
Linda xxxx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi I&#8217;m reading all this &#8211; it&#8217;s like reliving the nightmare.<br />
I too was married to a controlling man who always threatened to destroy me if I left him&#8230;well he did&#8230;first he took most of our assets&#8230;then told my family he would kill me if I tried to get the money I deserved&#8230;then he started on my career by harrassing me daily with phone calls and abuse so I looked unprofessional and upset&#8230;then paid hardly any maintenance&#8230;then took our son. When I tried to get him back was thrown against a wall and strangled in front of the kids only to be saved by his girlfriend. Then he got the best lawyer in town who set me up, played games, then he started summonsing me to court saying I was refusing access to kids. In fact lies and more lies. Then he started threatening my boyfriend and used our son to steal from me and making him lie even to police. Then he took our daughter and when I tried to get her back he beat me and left me. Then taking me to court and saying I was an unfit mother. Yes I lost and had a complete breakdown&#8230;left with post traumatic stress unable to work and lost my unit and my heart.<br />
Seven years on the shit still goes on, he still taunts and threatens me. My kids no longer even come near me as he has brainwashed them. I&#8217;ll never give up on them.<br />
Pray for justice<br />
Linda xxxx</p>
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		<title>By: melissa monik</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/child-custody/women-lose-custody-battles#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>melissa monik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 18:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please let me know how it all ends, I was scared before I read this page - now I&#039;m just terrified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please let me know how it all ends, I was scared before I read this page &#8211; now I&#8217;m just terrified.</p>
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		<title>By: melissa monik</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/child-custody/women-lose-custody-battles#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>melissa monik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now I&#039;m going through a custody battle where my 10yr old had been raped repeatedly by his then girlfriend&#039;s teenage son. Their father is also emotionally abusive to all of us and sometimes he gets physically abusive. I left him 10yrs ago but they&#039;re portraying me as a jealous ex. He made $80,000 more than me last year. His lawyer is married to the family court judge, althouth we go to the courtroom right next door. When I tried getting the support he owed me, his lawyer and the prosecuters were giggling and laughing, so I&#039;ve always been afraid. He&#039;s always threatening to take them from me and now he&#039;s trying and winning. He lives in Indiana and we live in Florida and custody is overseen in Indiana. I hired a guardian ad litem, and talking to her started to realize she wasn&#039;t listening to anything from me and has believed everything he&#039;s said without talking to the kids. In fact ordered me to let the grandma see them (she threw her own kids out). Then I found out the guardian ad litem was also a former family court judge there. The kids have been crying and begging not to go to his house for years. They really need help and the courts aren&#039;t helping me keep them safe. Our son is 13 and gets physically ill anytime he has to go. Is there any help for kids anywhere? I&#039;m getting deseperate, and they&#039;re getting scared they&#039;re going to end up with him. Even my daughter&#039;s counselor is getting nervous. I can&#039;t help her heal because their father hasn&#039;t stopped harassing us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now I&#8217;m going through a custody battle where my 10yr old had been raped repeatedly by his then girlfriend&#8217;s teenage son. Their father is also emotionally abusive to all of us and sometimes he gets physically abusive. I left him 10yrs ago but they&#8217;re portraying me as a jealous ex. He made $80,000 more than me last year. His lawyer is married to the family court judge, althouth we go to the courtroom right next door. When I tried getting the support he owed me, his lawyer and the prosecuters were giggling and laughing, so I&#8217;ve always been afraid. He&#8217;s always threatening to take them from me and now he&#8217;s trying and winning. He lives in Indiana and we live in Florida and custody is overseen in Indiana. I hired a guardian ad litem, and talking to her started to realize she wasn&#8217;t listening to anything from me and has believed everything he&#8217;s said without talking to the kids. In fact ordered me to let the grandma see them (she threw her own kids out). Then I found out the guardian ad litem was also a former family court judge there. The kids have been crying and begging not to go to his house for years. They really need help and the courts aren&#8217;t helping me keep them safe. Our son is 13 and gets physically ill anytime he has to go. Is there any help for kids anywhere? I&#8217;m getting deseperate, and they&#8217;re getting scared they&#8217;re going to end up with him. Even my daughter&#8217;s counselor is getting nervous. I can&#8217;t help her heal because their father hasn&#8217;t stopped harassing us.</p>
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		<title>By: Been through it too</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/child-custody/women-lose-custody-battles#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Been through it too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m shocked at just how many women have been (and still are) going through this. Nothing has changed since I first stood in court and watched them take my child away over 20 years ago. I was told my case was unusual, that custody being awarded in my favour was &quot;in the bag&quot;. More than a decade later and through multiple changes to the family court system I was still getting served. It left me broke (and paying child support to an abuser), my child had a nervous breakdown spending nearly a year in hospital. My own health deteriorated leaving me unable to work for extended periods of time and I will never again see the world as a civilised place the way I once did.

There is little justice in the justice system even when justice is &quot;seen to be done&quot;. It can&#039;t be relied upon and, even if resolved fairly, cannot undo the damage done. The courts seeming lack of compassion and common sense came as a shock.

The court eventually acted in favour of the more litigious parties (although directing the courts attention to the number and nature of the complaints lodged and their outcome in order to request an order restraining certain litigious and coercive behaviour did slow them down).

People were encouraged to lie/distort the truth more in affidavits and supporting documents than tax returns. Some of the tricks: perjuring himself, forging signatures (including signing for summons and other court doccuments meant for me), stealing and distorting the context of doccuments (including mail and discarded letters/bills/statements etc). Encouraged others to take part (including people I thought were on my side) and trying to build a rapport with those in positions of authority in an attempt to sway their judgement. Exploited precedents, tools and the system the court had in place in a way completely opposite to its original intent in order to stall, intimidate, misrepresent, inconvenience and financially cripple. Physically and financially tried to prevent me from appearing in court and blocked my access to support services. Incrementally undermined my position building one &quot;compromise&quot; upon the other until there was nothing left to compromise.

I went to court with my eyes closed and it cost me dearly. If I&#039;d known earlier what I was getting into (and how to avoid it) I would have been better prepared, played my cards closer to my chest, sought better support services and hired a more knowledgeable solicitor. If I&#039;d known I&#039;d end up in court to start with I would have left the state (at the time it was legal as long as there were no pending court cases) and spared all of us the trauma (thing was that&#039;s exactly what my intuition was telling me to do and I was talked out of it).

I don&#039;t think making more changes to the family law will work, it&#039;s too slow and self preserving. I think they need something like an inquest, we have the right political climate for it (it would be good to see a retired legal professional involved, might give the law a chance to redeem itself). I think we need to let the public know what&#039;s going on, there&#039;s too much shame, guilt and isolation being carried by people who weren&#039;t responsible, and the media needs to ditch their hands off approach to family law as an entity and start taking real political risks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m shocked at just how many women have been (and still are) going through this. Nothing has changed since I first stood in court and watched them take my child away over 20 years ago. I was told my case was unusual, that custody being awarded in my favour was &#8220;in the bag&#8221;. More than a decade later and through multiple changes to the family court system I was still getting served. It left me broke (and paying child support to an abuser), my child had a nervous breakdown spending nearly a year in hospital. My own health deteriorated leaving me unable to work for extended periods of time and I will never again see the world as a civilised place the way I once did.</p>
<p>There is little justice in the justice system even when justice is &#8220;seen to be done&#8221;. It can&#8217;t be relied upon and, even if resolved fairly, cannot undo the damage done. The courts seeming lack of compassion and common sense came as a shock.</p>
<p>The court eventually acted in favour of the more litigious parties (although directing the courts attention to the number and nature of the complaints lodged and their outcome in order to request an order restraining certain litigious and coercive behaviour did slow them down).</p>
<p>People were encouraged to lie/distort the truth more in affidavits and supporting documents than tax returns. Some of the tricks: perjuring himself, forging signatures (including signing for summons and other court doccuments meant for me), stealing and distorting the context of doccuments (including mail and discarded letters/bills/statements etc). Encouraged others to take part (including people I thought were on my side) and trying to build a rapport with those in positions of authority in an attempt to sway their judgement. Exploited precedents, tools and the system the court had in place in a way completely opposite to its original intent in order to stall, intimidate, misrepresent, inconvenience and financially cripple. Physically and financially tried to prevent me from appearing in court and blocked my access to support services. Incrementally undermined my position building one &#8220;compromise&#8221; upon the other until there was nothing left to compromise.</p>
<p>I went to court with my eyes closed and it cost me dearly. If I&#8217;d known earlier what I was getting into (and how to avoid it) I would have been better prepared, played my cards closer to my chest, sought better support services and hired a more knowledgeable solicitor. If I&#8217;d known I&#8217;d end up in court to start with I would have left the state (at the time it was legal as long as there were no pending court cases) and spared all of us the trauma (thing was that&#8217;s exactly what my intuition was telling me to do and I was talked out of it).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think making more changes to the family law will work, it&#8217;s too slow and self preserving. I think they need something like an inquest, we have the right political climate for it (it would be good to see a retired legal professional involved, might give the law a chance to redeem itself). I think we need to let the public know what&#8217;s going on, there&#8217;s too much shame, guilt and isolation being carried by people who weren&#8217;t responsible, and the media needs to ditch their hands off approach to family law as an entity and start taking real political risks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jammie Springer</title>
		<link>http://speakoutloud.net/child-custody/women-lose-custody-battles#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Jammie Springer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann, my name is Jammie and I am from Lincoln, Illinois. When I read your post it brought tears to my eyes...hell, I even had to have a cigarette so that I could calm down. It made me relive moments of a very similar story in which I lost my 1 yr old son to my husband who was a teacher that had sex with a 16 yr old girl. My hopes for you and for everyone else on here is that we can be united in a way that contributes to getting the word out of the corrupt court system. There are no words to describe how unjust it is and how biased it is. It is always the woman who is mentally unstable...it is always the woman who is depressed and not mentally well enough to take care of the child. The reason........because that is the only thing they can say...and that is a fact. Please do not give up no matter what and hold your head high. I believe in you and I believe in our fight :)
Love
Jammie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann, my name is Jammie and I am from Lincoln, Illinois. When I read your post it brought tears to my eyes&#8230;hell, I even had to have a cigarette so that I could calm down. It made me relive moments of a very similar story in which I lost my 1 yr old son to my husband who was a teacher that had sex with a 16 yr old girl. My hopes for you and for everyone else on here is that we can be united in a way that contributes to getting the word out of the corrupt court system. There are no words to describe how unjust it is and how biased it is. It is always the woman who is mentally unstable&#8230;it is always the woman who is depressed and not mentally well enough to take care of the child. The reason&#8230;&#8230;..because that is the only thing they can say&#8230;and that is a fact. Please do not give up no matter what and hold your head high. I believe in you and I believe in our fight <img src='http://speakoutloud.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Love<br />
Jammie</p>
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		<title>By: Jammie Springer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jammie Springer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dani Cali,
You cannot give up. Please do not give up. Promise me that even through every tear, sleepless night, and unwillingness to want to keep the strength it takes to endure whatever the end result may be, you will not give up on you or your child. I am praying for you.
Love
Jammie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dani Cali,<br />
You cannot give up. Please do not give up. Promise me that even through every tear, sleepless night, and unwillingness to want to keep the strength it takes to endure whatever the end result may be, you will not give up on you or your child. I am praying for you.<br />
Love<br />
Jammie</p>
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		<title>By: Jammie Springer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jammie Springer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 07:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To EVERY person that has responded on this, my heart truly goes out to you and your situation. I am touched by each individual story and cannot even begin to express my hurt for what you have been through. I too have been through the same situation. The one thing I think we should ALL think about is that we CANNOT GIVE UP. We owe this to our children. We have to find a way to get angry and fight for our children. I believe in God. It has been hard, very hard, but I believe that with each other, we can defeat the corrupt system. Women can vote now because of determination. Women get equal pay because of determination...this didn&#039;t take days, weeks or months...it took years. But we have to think long term and come together....I am willing to do this. I believe in all of you and in all of your concerns. We deserve what is right for the sake of innocent children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To EVERY person that has responded on this, my heart truly goes out to you and your situation. I am touched by each individual story and cannot even begin to express my hurt for what you have been through. I too have been through the same situation. The one thing I think we should ALL think about is that we CANNOT GIVE UP. We owe this to our children. We have to find a way to get angry and fight for our children. I believe in God. It has been hard, very hard, but I believe that with each other, we can defeat the corrupt system. Women can vote now because of determination. Women get equal pay because of determination&#8230;this didn&#8217;t take days, weeks or months&#8230;it took years. But we have to think long term and come together&#8230;.I am willing to do this. I believe in all of you and in all of your concerns. We deserve what is right for the sake of innocent children.</p>
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